00:00.79
arthousegarage
Welcome back to the podcast Link Tra How are you? Yeah I’m doing really good. Yeah, it’s good to talk to you again. We talked about all sorts of things.
00:08.39
Linh Tran
Hi Thank you for having me I’m great. How are you.
00:19.53
arthousegarage
Last time ah with the souvenir and so I’m excited to have you back because that was a great one. Um, and we also talked about your film at that time waiting for the light to change which I think there’s been some news recently right? What’s the latest with with your film.
00:32.91
Linh Tran
Um, it’s so we talked in January right? That’s that’s a lot of things has happened um as you know and we finally got distribution and we are having a theatrical run one week in New York and one week in Chicago starting.
00:35.27
arthousegarage
I Think that’s right, yeah.
00:45.59
arthousegarage
Um, yay.
00:50.42
Linh Tran
I believe next Friday or next yeah next friday yes, next thursday yeah like that. Yeah.
00:57.59
arthousegarage
that’s a great yeah that’s amazing yeah I’ve been seeing stuff on your Instagram all the time I’ll make sure to link to whatever I can for showtimes and stuff because I realized recently looking on my analytics I’m in Arkansas and a lot of my listeners are in Arkansas I actually have a lot of New York and Chicago listeners too which is cool. So.
01:11.73
Linh Tran
Wow.
01:14.84
arthousegarage
Hopefully maybe some people can go see it because I would love to see on the big screen I Still just seen seen it at home. But I loved it and I’m so excited that more people can see it now but well Congrats That’s really cool. Yeah.
01:24.29
Linh Tran
Well thank you so much. Thank you so much.
01:31.65
arthousegarage
Well today we’re go to talk about passages which if everyone sees the video here you have the poster right? behind you just so cool. Um I it’s funny I just watched this film kind of on a whim I is a directed by irisachs is my first iris x film to ever see. Um I was yeah.
01:46.82
Linh Tran
2
01:51.60
arthousegarage
I was on a trip to Portland actually just to see a friend up there and I was like I should see something that’s not playing in little rock because we don’t get all the movies here. Unfortunately, um and I was like oh benwishaw. This seems like my yeah mid-budget low- key drama that’s like lately that’s just what I want to do I could have actually. My cinephi out card I lose it because I could have gone to see Oppenheimer in Seventy Millimeter at the same time but I was like I don’t I really just am in the mood for something more chill and I’ve already seen Oppenheimer and it’s so heavy. Whatever so anyway I opted for this and I’m so glad I did. So I’m excited to hear about your experience with it because it looks like you’ve seen it a few times and maybe you it grew on you over time based on your letterboxed reviews. So tell me about your experience with passages.
02:36.34
Linh Tran
Um, for so I mean this might be hard take but I think you made the right decision there.
02:40.72
arthousegarage
Okay, I mean I really love Oppenheimer and I’ve actually never seen a seventy millimeter thing and it’s like this would be a great opportunity. But it’s just like I am just not on the mood. But anyway so.
02:51.37
Linh Tran
Yeah, yeah, you know I think um, well for me I First saw this at Chicago critics film festival by the way. Great film festival all if you’re like a like Cynify Chicago
02:58.52
arthousegarage
No well yeah I need to come up there. Yeah.
03:07.13
Linh Tran
They just have amazing amazing programs and my film was in the program which was as like whoa um and was playing at the music box theater here in Chicago so this film when when um.
03:11.87
arthousegarage
Yeah, that’s a cool.
03:24.20
Linh Tran
Went so before before you go to the before the each movie place like at the festival they have the they have this likely show of like all these films and a little bit of a kind of a how you say it. It’s like a a quote from a critic like on the side because you know it’s a critics film festival.
03:40.75
arthousegarage
Um, yeah.
03:43.84
Linh Tran
And this one I think it’s say something something something sexy and so very french and I’m like sold stole. Yeah I think it’s from ah Brian Tellerico from Roger Ebert um
03:48.12
arthousegarage
Um, yeah I saw that same quote I was like oh interesting. Yeah yeah.
04:01.80
arthousegarage
Ah.
04:03.14
Linh Tran
So I went to see it. It was so one screening for every film in this festival and this was on the same day as at my um as my film and I was I was just like okay all these movies are great and I’m getting to see all of them for free. So I literally was there every day and I saw this one and I came out I’m like wow I don’t know why I feel like it’s not like a hundred percent like perfect. It’s not and I mean is is not parasite. You know.
04:21.12
arthousegarage
Um.
04:37.35
arthousegarage
Yeah.
04:40.68
Linh Tran
like but I’m like I really feel the ocean like wash this again right? away you know, but it’s not out yet and um I went home and I at first I was like okay maybe it is like a 7.5 out of 10 You know readings are very arbitrary anyway.
04:47.57
arthousegarage
Um.
04:57.87
arthousegarage
Here.
05:00.36
Linh Tran
But I’m like I it’s It’s not quite like perfect perfect and it doesn’t like really razz ordazzle you right away and I came out and I thought about it a little bit I’m like this something about this movie is like really really charming and I really want to see it again and then it came out. Ah.
05:07.89
arthousegarage
Um, again.
05:15.95
arthousegarage
Um.
05:20.35
Linh Tran
In theater and ah I went with my dp for waiting. So we both went to see this movie and the experience for the second screen was like so different from the first. So the first screening it was like at I don’t know two 30 p m on like a.
05:28.25
arthousegarage
Um.
05:34.11
arthousegarage
Um, ah.
05:39.62
Linh Tran
I don’t know like a Sunday or something I can’t remember but this like this huge theater like 750 seats and I think they’re probably less like fewer than 200 seats filled in the theater and like nobody laughed or anything. It was like pretty.
05:39.95
arthousegarage
Are.
05:46.10
arthousegarage
Her.
05:59.80
Linh Tran
Low key. The movies was great of course and and the second screening was like in a smaller theater and it was like like almost a full house and everybody was roaring like already was dying of laughters and and like I just like realized oh my god this movie is fucking hilarious.
06:00.48
arthousegarage
Um.
06:06.76
arthousegarage
Interesting.
06:18.39
Linh Tran
And and now that now that like you know the the plot isn’t really like the you know in the in the foreground for me anymore I started to like notice like how it’s covered and like how moments are um, you know like. Portrayed and like the motifs like visually and emotionally and you know the parallelism after the parallelism like I didn’t get into like the third watch. So I like after the second watch I’m my wow this is like not a 7.5 out of 10 this is like.
06:39.57
arthousegarage
Um, who knew.
06:48.68
arthousegarage
Um, her.
06:54.97
Linh Tran
Ah, four point 5 out of 5 It’s like a 9 out of 10 and then um and then on the third well with the third one. The third screening was like I was like I was on a dating app and I was like okay, it stays.
06:56.28
arthousegarage
Yeah.
07:13.29
Linh Tran
A perfect day night movie. How about I take a day to see this movie So I took a day to see this movie. Um, and it was the movie was just so funny like it. It didn’t stop being funny.
07:29.19
arthousegarage
Um.
07:29.39
Linh Tran
And I started noticing like other things you know it’s like every time you watch a movie like you gain something. Um I think that just like that speaks to excellent filmmaking and is so tight and definitely I thought that um like a gas.
07:38.70
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:48.31
arthousegarage
And.
07:49.32
Linh Tran
Character in the movie ad fus was like a little thin but then after the second and third of wash I decided well I thought to myself you know what? that’s for a reason you know and um, yeah I really love it.
07:59.34
arthousegarage
Yeah.
08:04.25
Linh Tran
And I loved it so much that I asked the music box theater if I could have the standy poster that they had It’s literally so big that you know if I stand up next to a poster is like almost my height.
08:18.82
arthousegarage
I love it. That’s awesome. So that’s interesting. So I saw it like a really small little art house theaterer that it was not ah even that was not packed so like there definitely are some moments I thought were funny mostly about the bluntness of the main character. Um, but that’s. Fascinating to hear that like everyone was really laughing a lot I definitely want to see it a a second time to kind of trade a key into some of that. Um wow so I want to ask you about the parallelism thing because I maybe know you’re talking about but first so this was your first iris x film too. What about the performers had you seen any of these actors in other things and ah, how did you feel about the performances in this.
08:58.30
Linh Tran
Yes I have seen well I’ve seen um how you pronounceed Adele last name like it’s hard acceptables. Um.
09:05.00
arthousegarage
Yes, it’s hard. Let me look at the word. So I can say I think it’s like Xar exart chapuloss I’m not sure if that’s right, but she’s in blue is the warmest color right.
09:15.22
Linh Tran
Um, so I’ve seen her in that one and actually I think she might come out as like the the most watched actress for me this year because I saw this 3 times obviously and then I saw the 5 devils which is on movie right now and i.
09:25.43
arthousegarage
Really.
09:30.85
arthousegarage
M tip Oh when you check it out.
09:35.34
Linh Tran
Ah, her in this other film called 0 Fox given like I she’s in she’s in a lot of like I don’t know kind of like new filmmakers. Um like movies like this year and like in the past.
09:37.41
arthousegarage
I Have heard of that one.
09:53.77
Linh Tran
A couple years and I really like her I like she’s just such a watchable. Um, actress you know and I remember the first time I was like oh wow this actress is so good was like that scene where she eats spaghetti in blue is the warmest color.
10:00.37
arthousegarage
Remember my.
10:09.96
arthousegarage
Adam.
10:13.16
Linh Tran
And I think I I I was watching that and I thought to myself oh my god I can like just use like eating as like a method of casting. Yeah, um I really like her I saw Ben Wishaw in talking women.
10:23.36
arthousegarage
That’s funny. Yeah.
10:29.94
arthousegarage
Her.
10:32.55
Linh Tran
And something else that I saw pretty recently too but I can’t remember I’ve seen him in a bunch of things. Um this one by far is probably my favorite performance by him in a yes and and friends ragosky.
10:46.52
arthousegarage
He’s wonderful in this? yeah.
10:52.12
Linh Tran
Just amazing I saw him in great freedom in transit. Um, ah undine I Really love pencils. Yeah, and he’s He’s very magnetic and like.
10:55.25
arthousegarage
Oh good. Yes, That’s one of the few things I’ve seen him in. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Absolutely yes, very much So He’s so watchable. Yeah I think I’ve only seen him in undine and he’s in a hidden life I don’t remember who he hit.. There’s so many people in that I can’t remember what his role is in that. But yeah, it’s like I know his face really well and.
11:09.65
Linh Tran
Has a great voice. Yeah.
11:20.10
Linh Tran
Yeah.
11:26.46
arthousegarage
Ah, yeah, he’s so watchable even when he’s making decisions that are sometimes pretty questionable in this movie. But then um, yeah, ah I have only seen Adele in a few things too. But yeah, she’s so she’s something like so grounded about her.
11:30.51
Linh Tran
Let me.
11:44.68
arthousegarage
She like she’s very down to earth even though she’s like so beautiful I I was thinking about like okay like Margo Robbie’s beautiful and doesn’t seem like a real person you know, but Adele does I think she seems like someone you could you know meet and know ah something like that. But then Ben Whishaw he he’s become like a really special actor to me for.
11:51.45
Linh Tran
Yeah, yes, oh absolutely.
12:04.34
arthousegarage
I haven’t even seen him in that many things like I always knew he’s the voice of Paddington and then I think he’s in the double of 7 movies I haven’t seen the latest ones of those but um, yes, that’s what I knew him from first season voice of Paddington and he’s so good in that? Um, but this is like with women talking that you mentioned and this.
12:12.80
Linh Tran
Um I didn’t know he was the voice of Paddington what? um oh.
12:23.66
arthousegarage
2 performances that just have like knocked me out so much and it seems like the character in the film that I kind of relate to the most in both of these films is is his character and um, just he just breaks my heart I don’t know what it is about him. He’s like he’s.
12:32.84
Linh Tran
But here.
12:40.29
arthousegarage
Seems so like kind and gentle and then just has such a depth of feeling even though a lot of it. You can tell is like under. He’s not like big in his performance. You know a lot of it’s like behind his eyes or like internal and you just like you can feel what he’s feeling without him like.
12:50.33
Linh Tran
Again, yes.
12:59.81
arthousegarage
Screaming and shouting and I don’t know it’s I’m really impressed by it and yeah and this this movie I thought he was fantastic. Yeah I’m a big been wishoffw fan I need to like go back and watch a bunch of his older stuff because I was looking at this photography. He’s like he’s in so many things that I’ve never seen. Yeah.
13:11.23
Linh Tran
Actually give me one second I like really I’m like really hung up on this because I saw him in something recently I need to look it up.
13:21.74
arthousegarage
Okay, I’ve got his imd be at let’s see so women talking was a recent one. Um, he’s in perfume I remember that movie back in the day. Cloud Atlas.
13:29.92
Linh Tran
Mary Poppins
13:38.45
Linh Tran
Ah, maps for o.
13:38.96
arthousegarage
He’s in fargo the tv show. Oh he’s in the David Copperfield movie interesting yeah kinds of oh he’s in the lobster I have seen that but I didn’t write it I can remember who he is in that.
13:48.79
Linh Tran
Oh lobster. Yes, that’s what I was thinking of he’s yep, he’s He’s one of the one of the guys in the hotel who.
13:58.66
arthousegarage
Okay I need to definitely watch that again because especially with yolan the most new film coming up I Really want to watch rewatch couple and then I I’ve never seen a few of his big ones too. So yes.
14:06.21
Linh Tran
Who Yes I yeah I Love I Love your let himus I’m looking up to him for my come upcoming project.
14:19.53
arthousegarage
That’s exciting. Um, well yes Ben Washaw incredible in this and really I think all the acting is really really good. Um, what other aspects of the filmmaking did you like or not like and actually let me ask you about the parallelism. What? what? um. But is your key into on that third watch.
14:35.85
Linh Tran
I think it’s um I that with this like there’s like 1 particular moment that I thought of or like I realize that there’s something going on there. You know you do you remember the scene where a gas rejects his 1 guy. Um.
14:42.53
arthousegarage
Yeah.
14:55.16
Linh Tran
Outside of of the cutting like studio where yeah, yeah, yes, if he’s like she’s like here’s your key back and and you know he tries to kiss her. She’s like no no, no um.
14:57.88
arthousegarage
Yeah, so he has so she’s gone to a breakup right? at the beginning of the film and he kind of comes back. That’s right and she yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:12.68
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:14.38
Linh Tran
No, and and like he starts calling her names and stuff and so that’s like a scene of her working up with someone or like you know, not taking someone back and then at the end of the movie you see exact same thing happen with Tomas and her and.
15:22.28
arthousegarage
And.
15:30.39
arthousegarage
Um, yeah.
15:33.67
Linh Tran
Is so is different and you know that’s that say something about toma’s character. You know like how in such a situation like this other person’s treating like these 2 guys very differently I think ah.
15:48.10
arthousegarage
Yeah.
15:53.70
Linh Tran
I think that like is something that kind of humanizes um Tomas as a person even though he’s like such a narcissist and ah and he’s just so bad. He’s like I remember seeing like a letter box. Ah review the say what a men is.
15:58.81
arthousegarage
Um.
16:10.73
arthousegarage
I Saw something like that too. That said like is there a more chaotic gay that was pretty funny. Yeah.
16:16.51
Linh Tran
Yeah, but like it’s like at the end of the day though you can’t hate this character for some reason. Do you agree.
16:26.21
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah, I agree yeah because I think it would be easy to villainize him and because it’s like he sort of gets all this drama started. Um, but yeah, there’s something about I mean he’s incredibly confident for 1 thing and he just. Feels like he’s like I don’t know there’s there’s so much talk of these here. They’re like okay living your truth and like being yourself and being who you want to be and maybe this is like the the inth degree of that where it can be harmful or something I don’t know like he’s so keyed into like his own um wants and needs. Which is a good thing to be keyed into your wants and needs. But he’s so keyed into those that he’s not thinking about the people around him as much and yeah to where that gets easy to call him a minute or something or he yeah chaotic he he is because I I was really struck like when he.
17:02.30
Linh Tran
Minute.
17:19.27
arthousegarage
So he he meets her at the beginning and they hook up and then he comes home the next morning and he immediately tells his partner like what has happened which I didn’t expect like he’s like he’s incredibly honest, he’s like hey here’s a thing that happened and it’s like if we care about each other. Let’s care about each other’s once it needs right um. Which we over time that becomes more and more one-sided I think because initially been wishhas character Martin is he again I’ve only seen it the once but he’s frustrated and is he seems annoyed but he’s also like you can do whatever you want and like we can figure it out.
17:40.11
Linh Tran
Will.
17:56.40
arthousegarage
But then it you know continues to progress and progress as the whole movie goes on. But I think the dynamic there is really interesting and because like they seem to be very open and honest with each other if there are admirable things about that. Um, even though by the end of the movie. You can see like he’s he’s kind of been his own undoing. And Tomas has but yeah I don’t know what? What do you think about him as as far as likable or not likable.
18:22.60
Linh Tran
Well um, well the movie starts with him on set as a director I think and that like immediately makes him very relatable to me at least you know because like between.
18:29.39
arthousegarage
Oh yeah. Yeah.
18:39.38
Linh Tran
Myself my mentors and my peers like I’ve seen characters like this like not like in like like the same in the personal life but like acting like this on set or like having its kind of power or having this kind of I don’t know frustration or like struggle and you know just the the artist.
18:41.31
arthousegarage
Mother.
18:50.83
arthousegarage
Naha. Yeah, and.
18:58.52
Linh Tran
Type and he’s attuned to a lot of a lot of things and and that’s what made me relate to the character at first like not knowing anything else. It’s like just just the first watch. It’s just.
19:12.32
arthousegarage
Ah.
19:15.40
Linh Tran
Very very straightforward I Love the opening. Um and but you know like you like you said he’s very selfish but he’s very honest, you know like I he he attempted to lie.
19:27.26
arthousegarage
Yeah.
19:33.51
Linh Tran
I Mean yes, he he lies sometimes but um, but in a very lay wishy, washy kind of way like like yeah yes.
19:36.20
arthousegarage
Ah.
19:41.60
arthousegarage
Yeah I forgot like at the beginning he is very honest but then towards the end you’re right. He has some pretty major dishonest moments too. Yeah.
19:50.86
Linh Tran
Yeah, it’s it’s very hard to pin down like he’s not really like a hundred percent honest and like a hundred percent this honest, he’s ah, there’s one. There’s that one scene where ah him and um, a gods in bed and he say.
19:54.83
arthousegarage
Yeah.
20:08.35
arthousegarage
Um.
20:10.11
Linh Tran
I think I’m falling in love with you and she said you just say that because it’s con convenient and he’s he’s like I say it when I feel it or you know like I feel like that is his character like just like yeah is like doing everything to.
20:18.10
arthousegarage
Um, yeah I say it when I feel it.
20:27.65
arthousegarage
Okay.
20:27.83
Linh Tran
You know, acting out his feelings and things like that and like you said disregard like a a complete disregard for other people’s emotional states or feelings. Um, vic 10 manipulative you know, but but there is.
20:32.44
arthousegarage
Yeah.
20:42.41
arthousegarage
Um, yeah.
20:46.18
Linh Tran
A they’re like some moments in the film where you see like that scene where he comes back and um goes into the bathroom and sees. Ah what’s his name the the writer um here and he comes out.
20:59.20
arthousegarage
I Assume really quick. Ah a mod.
21:03.10
Linh Tran
And he realizes what is happening and he goes to like the the bottom of the stairs of the building and like like cries quietly so you know like there are like ways that Iris act really made us.
21:13.32
arthousegarage
Um.
21:18.80
Linh Tran
Um, give us like a pathway to this characters like psyche that maybe even himself. He’s not like quite aware of but like he’s he’s confused. That’s what he’s saying when he’s confused. Um and I feel like.
21:21.27
arthousegarage
Her.
21:28.66
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah.
21:37.30
Linh Tran
That there’s a lot of humanity in that is you know you you get to understand the character a little bit like maybe not like empathize completely. But it’s kind of impossible to hate him or just call him just a menace or.
21:54.30
arthousegarage
Um.
21:55.94
Linh Tran
I would like shy away from simplifying his characters just because you know there are these bits and pieces that you are you have access to like watching this movie about this character that the character may or might not even like fully understand themselves. So yeah.
21:57.57
arthousegarage
Yeah.
22:14.24
Linh Tran
It’s I Guess it’s very complex antihero. Yeah.
22:15.84
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah I think that’s a good way to say it? Yeah yeah, it’s usually like you’re right? The line about I say it when I feel it like you feel like he’s very like shortsighted living in the moment only and like without maybe any any awareness of like longer term things like I think about one of the things that I did key into is. Being really funny was the scene where her parents come and they’re they’re like well we’re really concerned and he’s like why like like he seems to not even have any awareness of like we’re talking about like a really long term future here and um. Yeah I thought thought was really interesting but it essentially here you talk about that opening scene too because it is very much like he you know he is in control of his set and he knows exactly what he wants on the screen and like maybe that takes that kind of um I know exactly what I want right now and I can make it happen right now but I can also see someone watching that scene. And like he’s kind of being mean to these actors like maybe that’s you know there’s two sides of that as um, the way he’s commanding the room in a way. Ah, as there are positives and negatives even to that. But yeah, yeah I think it’s a great opening scene.
23:24.49
Linh Tran
I I feel like oh I I was gonna say I feel like him being a filmmaker is really crucial to the character because I mean being a filmmaker myself you know like the.
23:34.96
arthousegarage
Um.
23:43.65
Linh Tran
The the personality you know your personality on set or like working could bleed into your personal life and being a director on like a film is like so much stress and like a lot of responsibility but also.
23:52.42
arthousegarage
Um.
24:00.72
Linh Tran
Everybody is looking to you for your vision and so willing to do whatever you want or like express you know, like like you have the most of the time you have the final say to you know performance like the framing or something.
24:01.30
arthousegarage
Yeah.
24:19.50
arthousegarage
Ah.
24:20.71
Linh Tran
And um and it probably is how like he’s used to like functioning wise like in life especially he looks like he’s a established director in that in the film so that makes sense to me.
24:30.12
arthousegarage
Yeah. Get.
24:40.46
Linh Tran
And also being like ah being like an artist like sometimes it’s that like that voids that you always like try to fill and I feel like there’s some of that present in this character here.
24:47.78
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah, it’s like he feels like he needs something new or something. Yeah,, That’s really interesting. Wow I didn’t realize like last time you were here. You talked about a film about filmmaking and and. And think about here we are again. It’s Perfect. It’s not as not as much about filmmaking. But yeah that I actually had forgotten that that was how it opened but like that’s important to the the story. Yeah, well.
25:05.98
Linh Tran
Um, oh yeah, yeah, that’s have we talk about.
25:17.22
Linh Tran
Yeah, yes, absolutely um so about about about the parallelism I think there’s maybe like not much parallelism but also like repetition also in the film I think was used super.
25:31.33
arthousegarage
Um.
25:34.77
Linh Tran
Ah, effectively like with the ever like there’s a lot of you know, same kind of actions but then different reaction like him trying to pack well and move out like multiple times and then at the end too like he’s still packing for to go to Venice.
25:44.48
arthousegarage
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:53.48
Linh Tran
Like um and and each time like you meet with a different reaction from Martin and to me that’s really effective, efficient, filmmaking and like super neat and clean I really love that a lot.
26:01.46
arthousegarage
Um.
26:07.64
arthousegarage
Yeah, yeah, that’s really that’s a good point. Yeah there’s like multiple packing scenes. There’s like multiple breaking up in different things and like are we broken up or you know can I sleep in this house or in this apartment and then what might happen then and all of that. Yeah I think that’s that’s all really really well done. Um I was just thinking about the scene this maybe the biggest dishonesty that he has is the scene when Martin has coffee with I got and the information that comes out there. Maybe not really a huge spoiler kind of a movie but um. The devastating news that he gets there that and and like for 1 thing been wishla’s performance and that scene is so incredible because he’s he’s like embarrassed that he didn’t know and he’s also so upset at Tomas for not telling him the truth and yeah, there’s like but I think leading to that as sort of like the thick the nuance and how he’s feeling in that moment and all all that situation I think I guess the writing I think of all that leading to that is really really good. So yeah I was really impressed with this movie. Did you have any kind of final thoughts or anything you want to say about it before we wrap things up.
27:13.30
Linh Tran
Moving? yeah.
27:23.10
Linh Tran
Um I think way there’s ah, there’s 1 thing that I really like about this movie that I think I want to take for myself like for you know movie making in the future. That’s like the intimate scenes.
27:31.62
arthousegarage
Um, yeah.
27:36.39
arthousegarage
Um, yeah.
27:40.90
Linh Tran
Like sex scenes and scenes in the bedrooms. Ah these I was like I was telling my friends like this movie is probably the sexist movies that I’ve seen in last like few years. It’s everything like when you have a when you have a sex scene. It happens in 1 long take.
27:47.89
arthousegarage
Um, yeah.
27:59.75
Linh Tran
And you see it from beginning to end and you’re like so um, it’s like you’re in the room but at the same time there’s something. It’s like it’s like a visual motif that we that the first time I saw it I didn’t really like hash and then I saw it again it and I caught it is every time they like talk.
27:59.94
arthousegarage
Yeah, and.
28:14.27
arthousegarage
Um.
28:19.71
Linh Tran
Or they have this like argument or maybe they have sex. It’s always 1 person like obscuring the other person. It’s like it’s like you you know he’s talking and we see the back of his head and the back of his head covers Martin’s head and they’re arguing.
28:26.21
arthousegarage
Interesting.
28:39.26
arthousegarage
Um.
28:39.47
Linh Tran
And like I caught myself during the movie going like this like tils my head I try to be the other person. It’s like you you try? There’s like this really? um, really intimate and very private moment that maybe like couples.
28:42.13
arthousegarage
Like try to lean her f like these in the way. Yeah.
28:58.25
Linh Tran
You know you you will never get to know like these things in somebody else’s relationship and by doing that I feel like the scene is very intimate but it’s like very private.
29:06.90
arthousegarage
Um, out and.
29:12.59
Linh Tran
Again, The eyes of the camera and the audience and I thought that was brilliant.
29:17.40
arthousegarage
Yeah I think that’s a really good point. Yeah I’m thinking about thinking about the 1 sex scene for sure I’m remembering like you really only see the back of one person. It’s like you can’t see exactly what’s going on but you see enough to like know what’s happening. Um, but yeah I think that’s a really good point because like thinking about. How relationships are and like the relationships feel so real in this that I never found myself thinking like oh how could you behave that way or how could you speak that way to each other or whatever because it’s like oh this is their dynamic and it feels so real and lived in something about like. So I guess it’s like performances but also like the connections the dynamic between all of the performers I think was really really well done too. So yeah, yeah, I definitely am having only seen it once it’d be like into the year making top 10 lists kind of thing I need to definitely revisit it and consider it. There. But.
29:53.89
Linh Tran
Yeah, absolutely up for another watch pretty soon.
30:05.50
Linh Tran
Yes, it’s definitely my number 1 for this year right now. Yeah.
30:09.67
arthousegarage
Very cool, Nice all right, very cool. Well thank you so much for coming back on the podcastling it been a great conversation and I can’t wait to have you back again soon and you are so welcome Hand cut I hope I wasn’t too abrupt i’ always like feel like I cut it off too fast.
30:19.13
Linh Tran
Thank you so much.
